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February 8th, 2006, 03:17 PM
Anton von Stockhoff

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Originally posted by The Big Sexy:
The cartoons violated a muslim tradition of not depicting Muhammed, and they did so on the first day of Ramadan. So excuse them for being a bit offended.

How is this any different than the American Family Association boycotting NBC for having Britney Spears show up on "Will and Grace" as a Christian television cooking show host who has a segment called "Cruci-fixins". Christians were angry that this was to appear just before Easter so NBC had it removed.

Why is it that conservative Christians are the only ones allowed to have their religious sensibilities offended these days?

[ February 08, 2006 09:29 AM: Message edited by: The Big Sexy ]

Had NBC refused to yield to their demands I doubt very much they would be rioting in front of The Rainbow Room in NYC or torching NBC studios. Big difference. Why do you make excuses for the muslims? Any one of those fanatics would push you off a cliff simply because of your orientation....(or anyone else who does not subscribe to their Middle Ages mentality) LOL, try being a woman in a country like Iran or Syria, or even in a small village in Pakistan. Most people in the West treat stray dogs better than women are treated there. Speaking of Iran, did you know dogs are considered "unclean" and it's a crime to own one? The radical clerics regularly go door to door inspecting for violations and killing any dogs that are found. How do we not offend a group with that mentality? We can't. The sooner Western leaders stop kissing their asses and caving into their demands the safer we will be. They want to see Western civilization destroyed and ISLAM ruling the world. Wake up.

[ February 08, 2006 11:23 AM: Message edited by: G L G ]
February 8th, 2006, 03:47 PM
jumper69

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How is this any different than the American Family Association boycotting NBC for having Britney Spears show up on "Will and Grace" as a Christian television cooking show host who has a segment called "Cruci-fixins". Christians were angry that this was to appear just before Easter so NBC had it removed.

That is fucking HILARIOUS!!!!! [img]smile.gif[/img]
February 8th, 2006, 03:59 PM
travelinman

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Originally posted by The Big Sexy:

How is this any different than the American Family Association boycotting NBC for having Britney Spears show up on "Will and Grace" as a Christian television cooking show host who has a segment called "Cruci-fixins". Christians were angry that this was to appear just before Easter so NBC had it removed.
[ February 08, 2006 09:29 AM: Message edited by: The Big Sexy ]

Give me a fucking break. Rag head are killing people over cartoons not Christians.
February 8th, 2006, 05:59 PM
Sean Pa

It was a massive over reaction by the muslims, especially those protesting in the countries who showed the cartoon.
The BBC bravely showed the image with the predictable hysteria and death threats and all.
I am intrested, if in the Land of the free any of the nationals newsstations showed the image.

If you want to live in the UK,I am afraid Free speach and unbiased media coverage comes with it
February 8th, 2006, 06:05 PM
Sean Pa

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Originally posted by G L G:
France is on the verge of losing its national identity and while I regret the loss to islam, they asked for it.

Oh i doubt that very much,You are quite harsh on the French, whilst the war support was loathsome, There is no prouder nation and no way will they lose identity. Indeed wernt they the nation outlawing the traditional Muslim headress in schools...........That went down a storm, but they refused to back down
February 9th, 2006, 04:46 AM
reason

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Originally posted by Dulcinea:
I did not realize that the publication was on the first day of Ramadan. That seems insensitive, but I have to come down on the side of free speech. It is a long held standard in Denmark as it is here.

I find it far more appalling that NBC caved to protestors and engaged in self-censorship.

I'm all for free speech, too, but only if you're willing to take responsibility for what you say.
February 9th, 2006, 04:47 AM
reason

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Originally posted by travelinman:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by The Big Sexy:

How is this any different than the American Family Association boycotting NBC for having Britney Spears show up on "Will and Grace" as a Christian television cooking show host who has a segment called "Cruci-fixins". Christians were angry that this was to appear just before Easter so NBC had it removed.
[ February 08, 2006 09:29 AM: Message edited by: The Big Sexy ]

Give me a fucking break. Rag head are killing people over cartoons not Christians.<hr /></blockquote>Christianity has hardly had a peaceful history.
February 9th, 2006, 04:49 AM
reason

For Immediate Release: 2/3/2006 4:20:00 PM

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NBC Removes Offensive Segment From ?Will and Grace?
(Tupelo, MS) - Responding to pressure, NBC has decided to cancel an offensive segment from the April 13 episode of ?Will and Grace.? American Family Association (AFA) said that NBC cancelled the segment after pressure from NBC affiliates and AFA. The network had previously announced that the segment would feature Britney Spears in the role of a conservative Christian hosting a cooking show called ?Cruci-fixins? and would air the night before Good Friday.

NBC now says their own description of the episode was a mistake. In a memo to affiliates, the network said ?the information was mistakenly included in a press release describing an upcoming episode of ?Will and Grace? which, in fact, has yet to be written. The reference to ?Cruci-fixins? will not be in the show and the story line will not contain a Christian characterization at all.?

?NBC wanting us to believe they were mistaken in describing the segment, that they didn't know what was in their own press release, just doesn't hold water,? said AFA Chairman Donald E. Wildmon. ?Plainly put, NBC heard from their affiliates that they did not want to go through another ?Book of Daniel? situation while losing millions in advertising avenue.?

AFA's effort caused NBC to cancel ?The Book of Daniel? after three episodes because of loss of sponsors and viewers.

American Family Association is a pro-family advocacy organization with over two million online supporters.
February 9th, 2006, 04:53 AM
reason

Christian Censorship of Harry Potter
From Austin Cline,

Schools, Libraries, and Free Speech
The Harry Potter books by J.K. Rowling are not only popular with children, they are popular with Christian censors as well. Harry Potter books have consistently been among the most challenged books in schools and libraries for the past several years, according to the American Library Association. Why do so many Christians object to Harry Potter? How have conservative Christians attempted to censor the Harry Potter books and prevent kids from reading them?

The American Library Association defines a ?challenge? to a book as any attempt to ?remove or restrict materials, based upon the objections of a person or group.? Harry Potter books topped the list of most challenged books for four years in a row: 1999, 2000, 2001, and 2002. It was the second most challenged book in 2003 and dropped off the list in 2004.

The Harry Potter series managed to be the 7th most challenged books for the entire decade of 1990 through 2000.
Clearly, the Christian Right is upset by Harry Potter ? these challenges are not coming from leftists concerned with the depictions of women or families, they are coming from religious conservatives who are concerned with the depictions of witchcraft and morality. Parents and religious leaders all over America have tried to get libraries to remove the books and classes to stop using them for literacy or other educational programs.

Here are some of the ways in which Christians have sought to censor the Harry Potter books:

In November 1999, Zeeland, Michigan, school superintendent Gary L. Feenstra instructed teachers to stop using the Harry Potter book for read-aloud time and school librarians to remove it from the shelves. The book wasn?t banned outright, but access and usage was restricted. Future purchases of more books was also prohibited.

In York, Pennsylvania, Deb DiEugenio tried to get the Eastern York School District to ban the Harry Potter books from its schools. According to DiEugenio, the books were "against my daughter's constitution, it's evil, it's witchcraft. I'm not paying taxes to teach my child witchcraft." Tony Leanza, a pastor and elementary school teacher who joined DiEugenio, argued that the Harry Potter books promote Wicca, a religion, and that therefore the presence of the books violates the separation of church and state.

In July 2002 in Cromwell, Connecticut, parents tried to get the Harry Potter books taken out of their middle school. They claimed the books promoted witchcraft and portrayed Christians badly. Dr. J. Michael Bates, a local pastor, said that even people without children in the schools should join the protest against Harry Potter books.

A Florida library stopped giving out certificates for Harry Potter's wizadry school as part of a promotion of reading because of parental objections. According to one parent, "If they are going to pass out witchcraft certificates they should also promote the Bible and pass out certificates of righteousness.?

Teachers at the Birkenhead Primary School in Auckland, New Zealand, were prohibited from reading the Harry Potter books aloud after a parent complained that they promoted witchcraft and the occult.

Teachers in the Durham District School, east of Toronto, Ontario, were instructed to only read from the Harry Potter books to their classes if the parents of all the students were unanimously in favor of it. Otherwise, other books must be used ? but no other books were given the same restriction.

The Christ Community Church in Alamogordo, New Mexico held a book burning on December 30, 2001. Pastor Jack Brock's "holy bonfire" burned not just Harry Potter books, but also music, videos, and other objectionable material. Hundred participated in the event.

Even the ALA?s list of banned books has itself been censored. In 1999, reading teacher Jeffry Newton was told that he could no longer post an ALA pamphlet of banned books outside his classroom door. He wanted to make students aware of censorship issues and was in turn censored for it.

Most libraries and schools have instituted ?opt-out? policies which allow parents to exclude their children from being exposed to material they object to. This has been an important factor in the decline in the overall number of challenges to material in schools, including challenges to Harry Potter books.

At the same time, though, it?s also likely that teachers and librarians have engaged in self-censorship. One of the dangers of the protests launched by the Christian Right isn?t so much that the government will step in to enforce their standards, but that people will privately enforce their standards merely to avoid conflicts; as a consequence, everyone loses out on the opportunity to be exposed to ideas merely because one religious group objects for religious reasons.
February 11th, 2006, 03:54 AM
reason

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Why do you make excuses for the muslims?

I'm sorry I missed this earlier. I figured someone would say this. Figures.

I've done no such thing.

I've not condoned rioting or any of this other nonsense, though I do think the cartoon is offensive to muslims, particularly now that it is being shown again and again after it is known to be offensive. Just because you don't understand why it's offensive doesn't make it any less offensive.

I've kind of sat on the sidelines with this conversation, but I've been waiting for someone to go a bit deeper about what's going on. Instead all we hear about are how all muslims are creeps.

Please.

This issue is being by governments (and clerics, since in many cases they are one and the same) to politicize religion and rally the masses, much in the same way Bush is politicizing religion in this country. In both cases, it's being used to prepare all of us for war.]

As I read these threads, it looks like both sides have succeeded.

[ February 10, 2006 11:55 PM: Message edited by: The Big Sexy ]

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